16/06/2012 10:16 |
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This is a cross between a Cochin Black white mottled and a solid Black Moroseta resulting in a
MOSTROSETA (di Sicilia ;-).
Vedi Pepe these both youngsters (male and female) show a few remakable things tell me your opinion please. |
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16/06/2012 18:28 |
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Bellissime, fantastiche, portentose... |
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16/06/2012 18:38 |
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peppe6622, 16-6-2012 18:28:
Bellissime, fantastiche, portentose...
haha ... joker. What you really see ?
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17/06/2012 11:24 |
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The strange thing about these 2 was they both were born as "Blue" as you can see the young rooster as a chick on the right.
The one on the left became a complete Black as could be expected.
[Modificato da Danny_57 17/06/2012 11:25] |
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17/06/2012 11:28 |
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Here you can see them both as chicks next to the black one :
[Modificato da Danny_57 17/06/2012 11:28] |
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17/06/2012 11:30 |
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Here you can see the wingfeathers growing out to "black" !!
This is a documentation what it could be :
Name: Smoky
Symbol: I^S
" The smoky gene is an allele belonging to the dominant white locus. Smoky is dominant to dominant white in both chick down and adult plumage in that extended black with I/I^S (E/E I/I^S)results in grey chick down and adult plumage. Research to date indicates that i+/I^S heterozygotes express more the wild-type phenotype with respect to this gene indicating a recessive character with respect to the wild-type. The melanosomes resulting from the expression of smokey resemble those resulting from Andalusian Blue. Smoky dilutes black much more than red/gold.
A useful note to add would be that smoky is dominant on the chick down of I^S/i+ heterozygotes in that down that should be black is gray".
[Modificato da Danny_57 17/06/2012 11:38] |
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17/06/2012 11:41 |
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To compare a real Blue chick (on the left) to the mysterious one (on the right) :
[Modificato da Danny_57 17/06/2012 11:41] |
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17/06/2012 11:45 |
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And to make the mystery complete here you can see the white pearls start to become visible even this is a recessive gene and it is only in single doses (Mo+/mo) which CAN'T be visible along the genetic-rules !!
Say again Pepe ... Bellissime, fantastiche, portentose... Mostroseta !!
[Modificato da Danny_57 17/06/2012 11:47] |
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17/06/2012 14:55 |
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...prodigiose, strepitose, camaleontiche, INCOMMENSURABILI!! |
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17/06/2012 15:01 |
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peppe6622, 17-6-2012 14:55:
...prodigiose, strepitose, camaleontiche, INCOMMENSURABILI!!
Are this variants of coccidiosiche ;-) |
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17/06/2012 15:11 |
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Borderline chickens. |
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17/06/2012 15:23 |
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Did you our someone else that breed white Livornos ever becamed Blueish chicks ?? |
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18/06/2012 20:23 |
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che belle.
pensavo che il piumaggio serico fosse prevalente |
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18/06/2012 21:07 |
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No piumaggio serico is recessive (h/h) penne lisce is Dominant (H+/H+)
The chicks are H+/h = piumaggio lisce.
h = hookless [Modificato da Danny_57 18/06/2012 21:09] |
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18/06/2012 23:59 |
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ma quindi se tu accoppi questi due avrai figli con piumaggio serico giusto?? |
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19/06/2012 08:56 |
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H+/h X H+/h
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25% H/H => piumaggio lisce
50% H+/h => piumaggio lisce (portatore 1 dosis serico)
25% h/h => piumaggio serico
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19/06/2012 09:26 |
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The difficulty is not to become back piumaggio serico but the combination of h/h & mo/mo (reuniting 2 recessive genes) in the same chicks at the same time !
Here the percentage of that particular recombination is only 6,25 %
(+ must be counted with several other factors that may not combine in Id/Id, fm+/fm+ cr+/cr+, mb+/mb+, et+/et+, p+/p+, r+/r+ ... just to mention a few).
Out-crossing a Moroseta is almost sure to become a MOSTROSETA as Pepe always rightly calls them ;-)
BUT when one can succeed after 6 our 7 generations the ugliness will result in total fairness
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19/06/2012 22:17 |
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lo pensavo meno complesso. bhe speriamo che quella bassa percentuale. si verifichi subito =) |
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19/06/2012 22:28 |
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Difficult is not difficult enough in Silkies !!! |
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