chickencolours

Oggi quando sono tornata a casa per pranzo, ho guradato il sito www.chickencolours.com
Quanto e bello! Mi erano spuntate fuori alcune pagine del libro ed ora sto pensadno di comprarla, il libro sui colori dei polli. Qulcuno di voi lo ha comprato?
Ho letto i due articoli, uno sul colore marrone, chocolat e bronze. E pol l'altra su 24 anni di selezione per riuscire di fare un bel silver laced cochin bantams, quella colorazione cosi bella delle seebright sulla cocin. Che storia!
Poi mi sono divertita di scoprire le uscite di diversi accoppiamenti di quelli che ho e come potrebberono uscire. Molto divertente.

Ma le mie moroseta che anno un colore che assomiglia alla partridge gold, ma non capisco come lo potrebbe essere, visto che i genitori erano blu/ bianca7splash con il fulvo? Quando faccio questo calcolo sul sito, blu e fulvo viene solo blu.

Comunque e bello e interessante la genetica.
Per me questa e la prima generazione di polli nati qua, incroci di colori che ho potuto seguire. Ora sono molto curiosa di vedere la seconda generazione, scegliendo quale accoppiare!

Si Yemisi, I have that book and I studied from the front to the back and from the back to the front together with the pages of "summagallicana", discussed hours and hours with people who studied genetica in general and now I think I can say I know a little about the basics of it.
The genetica is build on rules, follow them and al will go easy an predictibel, not follow them and all become a choas.
But I like to help you on the track.

Hi!
So Danny what do you say about my Morosetas, the parents where a buff rooster and a blue hen, how come the offspring look like gold partridge? Should'nt they have been blue?
And what do you think I can expect their kids to look like? : )
One sec, I'll attach a photo.

A buff rooster he can have been eWh/eWh Co/Co s+/s+ Mh+Mh Di/Di
A blue hen you say, are you sure completely blue? than she can have been E/E Bl/bl+ s+/- , but she could also have been E/eb Bl/bl+ s+/-.
But for both are more possibilities in genetic code

When you cross these two you become 50% Black with gold as you see on the photo and 50% Black (dilute to blue) with gold , but I not see these on the photo.

So the genetic code had to be different !!!! Is what I said before, when you follow the rules it is easy and predicteble, when you not follow the rules than you become chaos !

This is not the right way to breed to a "pure" color but if you like surprices than you are doing good!

Yemisi, I spook only from the genetic point of vieuw hé !
Your Moroseta look very good taken care of, they shine of health, that is fact.
But to breed on with them it is playing the lotterie, that was what I wanted to say in my earlier post. Sorry.

Thanks for your answer!

Sorry the hen was not blue, now I remember better;
I had a white hen that looked splash when she was little but then turned white. I had a buff rooster and a Grigioperla rooster and a blue rooster but I never saw the Gp in any action with the hens. So the hens where a Buff one and a white/splash one. Most probobly the father was the blue rooster, but could also have been the buff one.

Yes its a mess, with suprises as you say.
This spring I will work more on my big chicken garden, secure it with net on the ground and divide it so that I can breed them more separeted.

There is a certain charm with surprises too, though. Especially if one is in the beginning of the chicken adventure. But then eventually the natural course will be to get more seroius I think.

But at least they are not partridge right?

Well Yemisi this is an other story but will not change the outcome.
All depends on what is your future goal !?
Yes as you say now you can do experiences and become subjects you never expected, even look very nice but are a compleet magicball of colorgenes.
You speak about the color Grigioperla, this is a recessive color, meaning when you want to see it on the outside the chick need to get one "allele lav" of the father and one "allele lav" of the mother. Only when it have the 2 alleles "lav/lav" it will be visible on the outside, in the phenotype.
You can become a Grigioperla chicken from 2 NOT Grigioperla .
that works like this : the basic for Grigioperla is normally black, this means in genetic E/E. When now a black cock E/E Lav+/lav crosses with a black hen E/E Lav+/lav (you see both are carrier of 1 allel "lav") so in the offspring these "lav" alleles can come together in one chick as E/E lav/lav and it will look PURE Grigioperla.
In this cross the outcome is 75% black (of which 25% pure Black E/E Lav+/Lav+ and 50% unpure Black and carrier of ONE "lav" allel E/E Lav+/lav) and 25% pure Grigioperla E/E lav/lav, in all sexes.

About your question if your chickens are partridge !!??
Well not pure that is for sure, but they will be carrier of a "eb" allel that I think yes because in one of the parents must have been that alelle but in these on the photo will be many other alelles playing a roll so as I said "magicballs".

Thank you Danny!
Well it will be interesting to see how their chicks turn out. That will also give a clue on what genetic codes dwell whitin them.
To see what unfolds from this magicball so to say. : )
Maybe later I can make a selection and try to purify their colours... after some generations.

But as I said, to breed in purity one needs more divided chickenyards. Right now I only have two. Of course one could only pick the couple one wants to mate and put them alone... And let the others go together. Thats an interesting topic to ask you and the others, how you do that? But maybe that should go under the topic "Pollaio" ?
Anyway genetic is intriguing, I will surely order that book.
Thanks for your advise.

Yes, it could be interesting Yemisi, to analyse the genetic code but not forget when you breed two different codes together it is like mutiplying there gentic code but when you want to analyse the code it is one gene by one gene !!! So as good as not feasable .

When you really want to breed pure it is not that difficult, the breeding couple (trio, quatro) only have to be separate for the time being of the fecundation the time the hens are deposing eggs that you collect for hatching, and put the cock(s) in a box. For the rest of the time you can let all of them together