Allevare perniciata oro e argento

Allevare insieme e far accoppiare perniciata oro e argento è corretto? O per riprodurli è meglio separarli?
forse avrei dovuto inserire questa discussione nella genetica...siccome mi riferisco espressamente a moroseta, ho preferito postarlo qui...grazie

Breeding these two colorations is often done.

You just have to keep in mind they (gold and Silver) are on the same "Locus" (= a place on the chromosome-line) and they are sex-linked (= a cock have 2 alleles of them a hen have only 1 allel of it).

-This means a cock can be homozygote (= pure) for Silver (= S/S) or he can be homozygote for gold (=s+/s+) or he can be heterozygote (= unpure) than he is Golden (S/s+).
-This means a hen can be only hemizygote (= pure) for Silver (= S/-) or for gold (= s+/-).

-Remarke the "S" for Silver is written always with a capital letter this means this Silver is dominant over the "s+" which is gold.
-Remarke also that the "s+" is written with a "+" behind it, this means that it is the original coloration and the "S" not have that "+", this means it is a mutated coloration.

Do you want more explications or do you say it is enough ?

Danny

T'a été beaucoup plus clair que Sigrid Van Dort Danny..
Peut etre alors que, quand on s'est vu, c'était effectivement le vin a tout confondre.

pushok-mc, 4-8-2011 11:27:

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T'a été beaucoup plus clair que Sigrid Van Dort Danny..
Peut etre alors que, quand on s'est vu, c'était effectivement le vin a tout confondre.

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Exactement mais l'un est peut-être (certaine) plus résistant contre le vin que l'autre

Pas des mystères Danny..
En général la femme, en considerant le meme poids en kg, a une possibilité de métaboliser l'alcool inferieure d'un 50% par rapport à un homme; en considerant ça donc, la dose d'alcool que je peux justement métaboliser c'est seulement la moitié de la tienne..
On ne parle pas de poids en kg maintenant car.. entre moi et toi, on ne peux pas dire qui est ce que qui pèse le plus !!!
Il faudra plutot que - quand tu me donnera a boire - tu fasses attention a remplir mon verre seulement à moitiè a chaque fois..

You are the best, as always. Grande bacio per te e salute Maybe Vania12 can join us

To continue my saying on the perniciata oro é Argento I write also this :
For every chicken coloration you need to start looking what is there "ground-coloration", this is situated on the E-locus, which is autosomaal (= the same on both sexes).

This E-gene have different alleles, the original (this with a "+") and 4 mutants (with no "+") by which are determinate the ground-colours.

This E-gene can be in homozygosis (= pure) : E/E (=Nero), ER/ER (=Betulla), eWh/eWh (=frumento), eb/eb (=perniciata), e+/e+ (=selvatica).
This E-gene can be in heterozygosis (= unpure) : E/ER, E/eWh, E/eb, E/e+ (=Nero) or ER/eWh, ER/eb, ER/e+ (=Betulla) or eWh/eb, eWh/e+ (=frumento) or eb/e+ (=perniciata).
I wrote them in order of Dominancy.

This was the second step in the "Basics of chickens colours basics". As you can see, when the steps are taken one by one, color-genetics is not that difficult, remember, even a housewife can do it ! Several exhibition judges on the contrairy not can, maybe because they never do housekeeping !!

When we now combine these 2 steps (S- and E- Locus), which every chicken coloration always have, we can come now to the :

-perniciata oro which is eb/eb s+/s+ (cock) or eb/eb s+/- (hen)
-perniciata Argento which is eb/eb S/S (cock) or eb/eb S/- (hen)

In this easy way we can analyse every coloration (one step by one step).
If you want to know everything in a very simplified and illustrated form, about all the 18 different Locus, just let me know !

Danny

dear danny...
thank you for your answer... I asked you about that because I asked for eggs of silver and gold separated and I got them mixed..so now it's a bit difficult to start..also it seems to me that they're not even fertile...anyways...i wanted to ask you if it's not too much if you have eggs available to send me of the gold and silver separated (or if you know someone who have them).
please let me know and thank you again..


caro danny,
grazie per aver risposto...l'ho chiesto perchè avevo chiesto uova di perniciata oro e argento separati e invece sono arrivati misciati..adesso sono in difficoltà sinceramente..e non so neammeno se sono realmente fertili...volevo sapere se qualcuno ha uova dell'argento e oro separati..per favore fatemi sapere...grazie mille

Ciao Vania, sorry I not breed Moroseta perniciata oro and the perniciata Argento I breed in a different way ! But you have in Italy a good breeder of Moroseta, her website link is on this forum in the cartella PROMOZIONE SITI . Maybe she can help you. Ciao Danny.

To finish the talk about perniciata oro / Argento I will show you the result of this "sex-linked" coloration cross :

- cock perniciata oro eb/eb s+/s+ X hen perniciata Argento eb/eb S/- =
50% cocks perniciata Golden eb/eb S/s+ (= unpure Argento)
50% hens perniciata oro eb/eb s+/- (= pure oro)

- cock perniciata Argento eb/eb S/S X hen perniciata oro eb/eb s+/- =
50% cocks perniciata Golden eb/eb S/s+ (= unpure Argento)
50% hens perniciata Argento eb/eb S/- (= pure Argento)

Conclusion : the hens are always "pure" for a sex-linked mixed cross (and opposit of coloration of there mother), the cocks are always "unpure" for a sex-linked mixed cross.

Good to know from day one which are hens ans which are cocks ;-)

Danny

Tundeeeeee!!!!!!

vania12, 4-8-2011 20:27:

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Tundeeeeee!!!!!!

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Si !

aspettando Tunde , Danny spiegava che accoppiando gallo perniciato oro x gallina perniciata argento si hanno i galli perniciati "golden" cioè argento con tracce dorate essendo geneticamente portatori del gene oro e le galline oro . Mentre dall'accoppiamento gallo perniciato argento x gallina perniciata oro si ottengono galli come nel primo accoppiamento e galline perniciate argento . Spero di essere stato chiaro

andrea71@, 4-8-2011 23:20:

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aspettando Tunde , Danny spiegava che accoppiando gallo perniciato oro x gallina perniciata argento si hanno i galli perniciati "golden" cioè argento con tracce dorate essendo geneticamente portatori del gene oro e le galline oro . Mentre dall'accoppiamento gallo perniciato argento x gallina perniciata oro si ottengono galli come nel primo accoppiamento e galline perniciate argento . Spero di essere stato chiaro

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Grazie Andrea for the translation, is done perfect

Si vania chiedi a Tunde, lei alleva questa colorazione
come ti diceva danny l'incrocio oro e argento nn è proprio ma diversi sono i selezionatori di razza che lo fanno.

GALLO X GALLINA
perniciato oro x perniciata argento = galletti perniciato argento con rosso specialmente nelle copritrici (quello che viene chiamato perniciato intermediario) e galline 100 % perniciato oro

GALLO X GALLINA
perniciato argento x perniciata oro = galletti perniciati intermedi e galline 100% peniciato argento

Nella seconda generazione invece questi i risultati
moroseta.bravehost.com/standardcolorazioni.htm
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