Quelle variété ?

Bonjour,


Je suis peu connaisseur de la brahma et je voudrais avoir votre avis sur cette variété de brahma !!

Est ce pour vous du coucou bleu ??? pour moi c'est un uni bleu avec zone Pyle coucou !!

Qu'en pensez vous et y a t'il parmis vous des éleveurs de brahma coucou bleu ???

è meraviglioso!

Mai visto di questo colore
Super Stupendo!!!!!
Ciao Natalino

Beh non posso che accordarmi al coro! bellissimo, fa un effetto sorprendente vedere una colorazione nuova su una razza conosciuta!
davvero bello...

veramente molto bello
ma geneticamente come viene fuori?

Molto bello, ma non saprei dirti il colore esatto... sembra un blue barrato!

Merci pour vos réponses mais je ne comprend pas l'italien (si Rachele pouvait m'aider !!)

Sinon ce coq est issu (à priori) de coucou X bleu (c'est ce que me dit l'éleveur)

Daniele pense qu'il soit un blue coucou..aussi moi meme je pense ça..mais je ne suis une experte de cette race!

Oui Rachele bleu coucou est plus juste que coucou bleu !!!

Mais je me demande si on peut trouver des souches de brahmas coucou uniforme bleu ???

ah je ne sais pas!dans la nègre soie par exemple il est en train de creation la coucou grisperle uniforme et la coucou fauve uniforme..qualcuno sa se stanno facendo la brahma sparviero blu?

Qualcuno puo' tradurre anche per questo povero ignorante, che parla solo Italiano, Inglese, Spagnolo e Sardo?

grazie ragazzi

chiedeva ai conoscitori della razza se si trattava della colorazione sparviero blu oppure di un blu uniforme con la zona pile sparviero..ah bantam dans ce moment je comprend bien la demande!non je ne pense pas au coucou bleu mais plutot au bleu uniforme avec coucou, la bleu coucou devrait etre plus uniforme!

Rachele1, 12/01/2009 17:16:

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..ah bantam dans ce moment je comprend bien la demande!non je ne pense pas au coucou bleu mais plutot au bleu uniforme avec coucou, la bleu coucou devrait etre plus uniforme!

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Yes Rachele, je pense comme toi mais je manque d'éléments sur le patrimoine génétique (base et locus E) de ce sujet et de ses parents !!

Pour moi un vrai coucou bleu c'est >>>>>> cette perle !!!

Par contre je ne sais pas si il éxiste de vrais brahmas coucou bleu uniformes???

Ciao bantam,
Maybe you must take a look here : www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Brahma
Ciao Danny

Luckychecco, 12/01/2009 17.06:

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Qualcuno puo' tradurre anche per questo povero ignorante, che parla solo Italiano, Inglese, Spagnolo e Sardo?

grazie ragazzi

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E DICI POCO !!!!

Ciao Danny,

And thanks a lot, this confirm what i think and for you what genotype could you give for this coco ????

By mail Danny !! please

oui le lien que tu a mis est un coucou uniforme

Ciao bantam, did you receive my emails?? Danny

Ciao Danny, yes thanks a lot but for locus I, y don't have more informations about parents and grands parents !!!

Sorry !!!

and what do you think about this Araucana>>>Phénotype and génotype ????

Mama mia, he is just beautiful, almost in the line as I see the new colours in the Silkies.
For me this is a blue patterned redshoulderd golden duckwing!
Genotype could be: e+/e+ Mh/mh+ S/s+ Bl/bl+ (this is visible on the outside).
e+/e+ as the basecolour of most of the chickens with this pattern.
Mh/mh+ because of the darker red as the normal gold on the shoulders.
S/s+ S: because of the Silver in neck and back feathers, s+: because of the golden shoulders.
Bl/bl+ because of the dilution of the black breast.

Ok Danny and thanks a lot!!

I think there's a lot of work to have a good coloration !!

What's for you redshoulders and duckwing ???

And do you think i have to introduce Inhibitor gene ??

This is alike coloured but without the gold "s+" and without the reinforcer "Mh", this is a cock ER/ER S/S: www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Afbeelding:Hollandsekriel_Blauwzilverpatrij...

Here the third cock is coloured alike and is called "bluesilvernecked":
www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Brugse_vechters
The only difference is he NOT have the white wing triangle what is called "crowwing". Typical for cocks ER/ER (Birchen).
When they have that white wing triangle as on the cock Araucana that is called "duckwing". Typical for cocks e+/e+ (partridges), eb/eb (partridge/brown) and eWh/eWh (wheaten).
(that cock wing triangle can also be gold coloured when s+/s+)

When a cock have S/s+ the one S not can stop all the s+ and you become some kind of redshoulders.
Hens are always pure coloured for this sex-linked colour: S/- = Silver, s+/- = gold.

Ah, I forgot, when you introduce Inhibitor gene I/i+ you will become a white redshouldered cock what is called "pyle".
www.feathersite.com/Poultry/Games/Mods/pyleMGBtyCklOz.JPEG on s+/s+
www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGP/Wyand/RedPyleWyM.JPEG on S/s+

Ok Danny, what's the difference with blue brassy back ???

For Pyle it's not difficult !!

Thanks a lot

I not understand your question, can you rephrase it?

Excuse me Danny (y speak and write bad english) !!!


Y think there's a lot of différent blue and red!!


For Pyle you can have différent pyle genotype !!!

For Old English Game Bantam you have a variéty Blue Brassy Back like this >>>What's the différence and what's the other genes ???

I think he did not understand the word brassy and so also the question
what's the difference with blue brassy back

The silver is a gene that can give much profit if incorporated in a white coloration. It can free the shoulders from the glares brass in white males. The silver inhibits the production of the red pigment, but it does not have effect on the black pigment. Being legacy to the sex-gene, it can give expression to different penotypes: the hen is always emyzygote for which it will be golded s+/- or silverplated S/-, while the rooster can be S/S, therefore silver-plated, or S/s+ for which it have a intermediate tint between golded and silverplated.


Blue tends to be uneven, dark edged or speckled with black and can be darkened by melanizers up to flat black. It also can be lightered without these melanizers. It also tends to get rusty.
Splash Bl/Bl (homozygous) is similar to Bl/bl+ heterozygote, is a gray dilution of black that has a nice contrast with the gold and red tints of the chicken's groundcolor, which it does not affect.


Dominant White can range from pure white to grayish and speckled. Together with the gold (s+) with or without reinforcing of the Magahony (Mh) it range to a variantion of Pyles.

Yes Danny for i+/i+ I/i+ and I/I it's ok !!

and the others ???

What's the action or link to S and I/I^d,I/Is^smokey and the others ...

What's the action S to locus lav, Cha, Ig, Di and Cb ???